It’s our joy to interview Nathan Jones of Lamb and Lion Ministries. Nathan serves as the Web Minister of this prophecy ministry which is lead by Dr. David Reagan. You can check their magazine, articles, and products over Lamb and Lion Ministries. But before you go there, enjoy this interview first:
Delighting Grace: So tell us Nathan, what is prophecy and why is it important?
Nathan Jones: Prophecy, specifically Bible prophecy, is the study of God’s word concerning future events as foretold in the Bible.
Sometimes we look at Bible prophecy that has already been fulfilled, like when Jesus came the first time to earth in fulfillment of 300 general and 109 specific prophecies. Other times we are looking at Bible prophecy as it is being fulfilled today, like Israel becoming a nation again and the Jews returning to Israel as Isaiah 11:11-12 and Ezekiel 37 and other verses said would happen. And, we also look at Bible prophecies that have yet to be fulfilled, like the 500 verses concerning Jesus’ Second Coming.
The gift of prophecy is not the same today as it was when the Apostle John completed Revelation. Today, people with the spiritual gift of prophecy have a passion to share the Good News of Jesus Christ’s salvation with others in the time we have left. They also can discern what the Bible is talking about concerning the end times. They cannot predict what the future is, as God has already given us a full account of what will occur in the Bible.
Delighting Grace: We know the trademarks of cults are false prophecies. Why do they employ prophecies and how did they eventually fall to error?
Nathan Jones: We once interviewed James Walker of Watchman Fellowship. His whole ministry is about dealing with the cults. He was actually a fourth generation Mormon until he studied and realized that Mormonism is a cult. James listed four ways to define a cult:
1. They add to God’s Word with new Scripture.
2. They subtract from who Jesus is.
3. They multiply the requirements for salvation.
4. They divide their follower loyalty.
When it comes to prophecy, cults love to make predictions. I’d say the reason being is that prophecy unites people towards a common goal, and Satan knows how to use false predictions to twist people into keeping their focus away from the one true God.
According to Deuteronomy 18:21-22, a true prophet could be discerned from a false prophet based on the accuracy of their prophecies. A prophet of God will always be 100% accurate.
Cults are formed around false prophets who use Christian terminology to sound Christian, but then redefine the terms to fit their own man-made theology. Cults are easy to spot in that they deny the Trinity, the virgin birth of Christ, that Jesus is divine as the Son of God, the resurrection of Christ, and promote a works-based salvation. They espouse prophecy and predict times that seldom result in fulfillment. They place man on God’s throne, promising man’s eventual rise to deity which is Satan’s old lie from the Garden of Eden.
Satan and his cults best method of leading people astray is to take a lie and wrap a little truth around it. “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves” (Mat. 7:15).
Delighting Grace: A follow up question: are their guidelines to interpret prophecy correctly without ending up like the Jehovah’s Witnesses or Harold Camping?
Nathan Jones: Yes, for one, stick to the Bible and a literal interpretation. Cults love to make extra-biblical prophecies. Stick with the prophecies found in the Bible and not on any prophecies made by man today.
Secondly, take Jesus at His word in Matthew 24:36. When He says concerning His return, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father,” then that means NOBODY can predict the timing of Jesus’ return. Cults are notorious for predicting the day of Jesus’ return and the end of the world, and they always end up being proven false.
Delighting Grace: I love Lamb and Lion Ministries. You’re a blessing to me. You’re balanced in the treatment of different subjects. You don’t employ over the top sensationalism on prophecy. You just don’t talk about prophecies but also apologetics. How do eschatology (study of prophecy) and apologetics go hand in hand?
Nathan Jones: I’m so glad to hear Lamb & Lion can be a blessing to you. We try to stay away from anything but the Bible, so avoid sensationalism. There’s no need to sensationalize the Bible, for it’s already filled with fascinating wonders.
Eschatology is the best apologetic. There is no book – none – that has any prophecy that has come true other than the Bible. As I stated earlier, Jesus alone fulfilled 300 general and 109 specific prophecies concerning His First Coming.
Mathematician Peter Stoner calculated that the probability of just eight prophecies being fulfilled in the life of one person is 1 in 10 to the seventeenth power. That’s 17 zeros! That’d be like filling the entire state of Texas two feet deep in quarters. Mark one and throw it in. Next, drop in a blindfolded man. The odds would be that the very first coin he picks up, that’s the one with the mark. Impossible, right? Well, not if the Bible is truly God’s Word.
That’s the power of Bible prophecy – it proves the Bible is God’s only Word which we can base our faith and life on.
Delighting Grace: How can Christians benefit from prophecy in other aspects of their Christian life say in discipleship or evangelism?
Nathan Jones: Great spiritual riches await anyone who studies Bible prophecy. For one, we know that the Lord can return at any moment to take up – to rapture – those who have accepted Him as Savior to Heaven. How will the Lord find us when He arrives? Will He find us diligently serving Him as were created to do as Ephesians 2:10 says, or will He find us living for ourselves? The study of Bible prophecy convicts us then to live holy and productive lives.
Secondly, by knowing that Jesus is coming soon and that afterwards the world will plunge into the worst time in all of human history called the Tribulation that should motivate Christians to share the Gospel. We don’t want anyone to have to live through the Tribulation, and certainly not go to Hell. Christians need to get out there and give a desperate world the Good News of Jesus Christ. So, Bible prophecy motivates us to evangelize.
Delighting Grace: Your magazine “The Lamplighter” is awesome. I can’t wait to read the next issue. Dr. David Regan’s articles are worth reading. How did your magazine started?
Nathan Jones: It’s great to hear such positive feedback on the Lamplighter magazine. It’s truly a labor of love on Dr. Reagan’s part. The ministry originally produced the publication as a few pages stapled together, and by 1998 began running it in a 20-page magazine format.
Delighting Grace: Also I’ve noticed how enthusiastic Dr. Reagan in writing and speaking about the subject. How does he influence you being part of the ministry and as a Christian?
Nathan Jones: Spreading the good news about Jesus’ soon return is Dr. Reagan’s passion in life. You can’t help but hear him preach and teach about it and not get excited yourself about the Lord’s soon return. That passion is infectious and has helped so many get excited about our life in Christ.
Delighting Grace: What can we look forward to Lamb and Lion Ministries? I know lots of our readers will be excited to know it.
Nathan Jones: We’re rather hoping not to be here in the coming years, anticipating the Lord’s soon return. The signs of the times show that the time is nearly here.
But, should the Lord tarry, Lamb & Lion Ministries will continue going strong preaching that message until the very last minute through our television show “Christ in Prophecy,” through the Internet, through publications, videos and conferences. We’ve even created a special message called “Jesus Came. What’s Next?” to share the Gospel with those who will be living in a post-Rapture world.
Delighting Grace: Thank you Nathan. More power to Lamb and Lion.God bless you!